Demolition Gone Wrong

Officials in Turkey are trying to figure out why a building demolition went wrong. Instead of imploding, the multistory structure fell over and rolled, narrowly missing a neighboring apartment building. Click here for the video.

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  1. I guess somebody tried to save a few bucks on dynamite or skilled engineers. The money they saved almost cost the lives of the neighbors. That’s what you get when skimming bucks is the standard mode of operation, and doing it right is the “de luxe special”.
     
    The interesting thing is that readers on the HP are comparing it with how the three towers fell on 9/11.

  2. The factory was built in 1928.

  3. I guess somebody tried to save a few bucks on dynamite or skilled engineers. The money they saved almost cost the lives of the neighbors. That’s what you get when skimming bucks is the standard mode of operation, and doing it right is the “de luxe special”.

    I am sorry, but you’re barking up the wrong tree –again..
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    It’s not because we have a dire shortage of smart people such as yourself who’ve seen a clip or two on YouTube, or read an article or two on Wikipedia to become armchair masters in applied engineering..
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    It is this:
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    Due to 30+ year-old terrorism problem, it is *impossible* to obtain license to use any sort of explosives in inhabited regions.
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    There’s absolutely no way around it. Plain and simple impossible.
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    On the slightest sound that resembles an implosion/explosion, on the faintest smell that people could mistake for some such thing; in minutes, you’ll be surrounded with rambo-like anti-terrorism squads –dozens or hundreds of them– and choppers if necessary, who will haul you off like you were about to assassinate the president.
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    From then on, you’d be lucky to get out with anything less than 10 years –plus, all the machinery would be confiscated.
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    I’m sure you’ll ask me how I know this. Here’s the answer:
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    I have a piece of land in a godforsaken part of the country –miles from any living soul. There was a rock in it I wanted to get rid of –about 30 cubic meters.
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    It would cost me about 5K TL if we could use explosives.
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    But, the moment I suggested it, almost all the technical team practically vanished.
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    The few remained told me about the risks (see above).
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    Yet, I wasn’t satisfied and inquired with the authorities.
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    The response I received was along the lines of “don’t even think about it, or else!”.
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    So.. as any wise person would do, I opted for the next best solution: Pneumatic hammers attached on excavators…
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    Took more than a month, and 150K TL.
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    So.. as they say in the good old US: “Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are”..

  4. I think, miraculously, nobody was killed. Despite the failure of the controlled demolition, it’s quite an amazing example of workmanship that the building was able to ROLL OVER.

  5. We should ask help from Claire Belinski the “Demolishing Buildings Expert”…. Her perfect background will help us to solve the mystery…

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    Due to 30+ year-old terrorism problem, it is *impossible* to obtain license to use any sort of explosives in inhabited regions.
    What is the name of this law? I would like to read its text. If that is true, you can’t legally do proper demolitions. And this does not make sense. It also contradicts news reports:

    An old flour factory was lined with explosives in order to make room for a shopping mall. But as you can see here, the demolition went wrong when the building did not crumble as it rolled onto its side. Workers spent 15 days weakening the main structure of the building hoping that it would collapse onto itself.

    Building demo goes wrong and causes building to flip instead of crumble

  7. Here is the video.
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    Do you see or hear any explosives going off?
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    I don’t.
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    Secondly, you do see the bottom front of the building has been chopped away in order to make it topple over –just like felling a tree.
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    IOW, they did not ‘design’ it to collapse onto itself in the first place –see the links in my prev post for difference.
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    As for which law it is: The relevant laws leave a lot government decree and regulations.
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    Meaning, leaving far too much in the hands of the executive branch –you will need permissions from local authorities.
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    That’s where you’re blocked: You will not find any authority prepared to underwrite you by giving you permission.
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    One more thing: Due to this situation, we don’t have people with the expertise to perform building implosions –they would have to be brought from abroad, making the licensing even more impossible.

  8. Demolition agents can be silent. I don’t know what procedure they followed. It looks like they approached the problem just like you said, by felling.
     
    If the government does not want people to handle explosives they can do it themselves. Knocking over buildings is clearly not an acceptable solution.
     
    And I still want to know what the actual law says.

  9. And I still want to know what the actual law says.

    Internet 101:

    1) Use an Internet search engine. Such as http://www.google.com
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    2) Write these keywords in the editbox: “patlayici” “madde” “kanun”
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    3) Press ENTER
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    4) Click returned links and read
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    5) Try with new keywords such as “mevzuat”, “tuzuk”
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    6) Go to step 3.

  10. Demolition agents can be silent.

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    Please quote your patent number and its price.
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    Provided that it releases no visible fumes, I wish to buy it off you to make billions.

  11. CA– It’s truly wonderful to have a discussant, such as yourself, on this blog who really does seem to be an expert on everything, no matter how obscure. Controlled demolition in Turkey? You’re there, man. Hugely impressive. Maybe you could, at least once in awhile, cut Jenny White some slack? You know, just to be gracious. I know it must be hard, given your depth of knowledge about basically everything.

  12. {format error. could you please ignore my prev post}

    Michael,

    It’s truly wonderful to have a discussant, such as yourself, on this blog who really does seem to be an expert on everything, no matter how obscure.

    It feels so warm –being appreciated. ;)
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    Thing is, it’s not that I am an expert; it’s, rather, I cannot suffer gladly pseudo-/spur-of-the-moment-experts making sweeping generalizations. And, same goes for me –that’s why I appreciate Emre’s attitude.

    Controlled demolition in Turkey? You’re there, man. Hugely impressive.

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    Did it really come off that way?
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    I thought I made it clear that it was practically impossible to do in Turkey –which is far from me being an expert on controlled demolition/implosion; after all my experience was a non-experience since I was not allowed to use explosives.

    Maybe you could, at least once in awhile, cut Jenny White some slack? You know, just to be gracious. I know it must be hard, given your depth of knowledge about basically everything.

    IOW, a positive discrimination?
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    Is it really necessary?

  13. Here is the law :

    it is not impossible but it is very close…

    1. Depolama ?zin Belgesi fotokopisi,

    2. Depo uygunluk raporu veya depo denetleme formu,

    3. Maden mühendisince düzenlenmi? ihtiyaç raporu,

    4. Genel taahhütname

    5. Ate?leyici Yeterlilik Belgesi,

    6. Ate?leyici taahhütnamesi

    7. Nakilci vekaletnamesi

    8. Nakilci taahhütnamesi

    9. ??e dair belge,

    10. Depo muvafakat?,

    11. Tehlikeli Maddeler Zorunlu Sorumluluk Sigortas? Poliçesi,

    12. Beyanname

    13. Ticaret Sicil Gazetesi veya Oda Sicil Kay?t Sureti.

  14. CA,
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    Did it really come off that way?
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    No it didn’t. I wonder where this conversation really started — obviously not here under this thread.
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    Michael,
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    What does cutting Jenny slack have to do with this? Jenny isn’t challenged here by CA? It isn’t like she claimed explosives sould have been used (as far as I can see, perhaps she changed the text after seeing the comments?). BTW, I don’t believe Jenny is getting mistreated here by CA or anyone else. I know I am treating her with kid gloves and I suspect so are some of the others.
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    If you happened to have had past experience with explosive use (or prevention thereof) in demolition work in Turkey, would you have kept quiet when the subject came up? If so, why? Now, do you have reason to believe what CA’s saying isn’t true? Perhaps you have reason to think his experience was exceptional, or that his contractors lied to him? Do you? If not, what’s wrong with him telling us about it?

  15. BM,

    I wonder where this conversation really started — obviously not here under this thread.

    From the Berlinski thread.. where she practically claimed every single construction company in TR is manned by ivy-swinging primates.

    I know I am treating her with kid gloves and I suspect so are some of the others.

    I am, actually, at a dilemma about this:
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    OT1H, I am driven to the point of infuriation by the lack of (just a bit of deeper) analysis which is often substituted with self-sustained prejudices; OTOH, it is obvious that she cares enough to spare time to write about TR…
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    IOW, I am at a bit of a loss here.. How do you treat an otherwise affectionate parent who does/says all the wrong things WRT his/her kids (or their problems)?

  16. CA,
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    There is no dilemma, here’s at least one third way: you could treat it as you would treat any other site on the net and remember this (I know you know about this cartoon):
    http://xkcd.com/386/

  17. BM,
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    ;)
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    http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wright_brothers.png

  18. we need more info on this give more info rather than conversation

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